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LM 27 or LM 30 Do they sail???????

Anonymous user

18 February 2007 19:04:04

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I like all boats but I am an out and out fan of sail boats. I was taught to sail at a dingy racing club and progressed to racing offshore. I subscribe wholeheartedly to the maxim "sail fast, sail safe" I have sailed so far on a UFO and various Sigmas. I have been lucky insomuch as I have managed to not own a boat. Now I am thinking of buying my own boat that my wife and I (both in our 50s) can pottle about in. I quite fancy a LM 30. the big question is do the things sail? The sailing mags say yes, but hey where would they be if manufacturers did not lend them boats to play with? What sort of angle to the wind could I expect an LM to achieve on a beat and what sort of average speed under sail? Anyone out there know the answers?

Re: LM 27 or LM 30 Do they sail???????

Anonymous user

10 March 2007 09:42:12

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my fiend, I own a LM30 since 1998. I dearly love her. If sailing is your no.1 requirement, that is not definitely your choice. I can say with 10/12k of wind you get 5k of speed but only with 50-135 angle bow/wind. Too heavy and too few sail. Every other aspect is charming. ciao Giuliano

Re: LM 27 or LM 30 Do they sail???????

Anonymous user

25 July 2007 12:38:16

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Yes, I think that the reply is a fair assessment of the LM30, which I also own; It is not an out and out sailing boat but is a comfortable , safe motor sailor.

Does any one have any experience of the LM Vitesse 35 , which I am considering buying?

Re: LM 27 or LM 30 Do they sail???????

Anonymous user

19 August 2008 05:08:52

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I have owned 2 LM'S , a 28 , and I have sailed my 32 since 1987 on the Great Lakes [ some of the most difficult waters in North America] . YES these boats sail well and can be even fast , in winds > 20 Kts . They are great passage makers and extremely sea worthy .

I would invite anyone to chat about these boats.

Re: LM 27 or LM 30 Do they sail???????

Anonymous user

23 December 2008 20:35:21

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I own an LM32. It is a motor-sailer not a race boat for light air. That said, it takes most well handled sail boats a long time to overtake me. Funny when they are out in the weather in their foulies, and my wife and I are in the pilot house sipping coffee in comfort.

Freya is very well built and a most comfortable cruiser. I'd enjoy emails from other LM owners.

Ron Schafer (lm32freya@gmail.com) We sail out of Sturgen Bay WI on Lake Michigan.

Re: LM 27 or LM 30 Do they sail???????

Anonymous user

15 September 2010 01:04:04

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I don't know if you are still there, several years on. I have an LM28 and she sails brilliantly - I can tack through 95 degrees and she stands up to anything. In the nine years I have owned and sailed her mostly in Maine she performs splendidly. I bought it from someone on the Great Lakes who had also owned an LM30 and he said the 28 sailed much better. So that may be the better size. Is there an owners' group out there: It would be great to be in touch with otherf owners.

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Anonymous user

03 January 2011 18:53:56

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How interesting to read of other folks experience with LMs. I have owned an LM30 for 11 years, sailing 000's of mns in European waters from Brest in France to N. Denmark, Irish and Scottish seas. I have experienced heavy seas in gales force winds and tidal streams of over 6kts. My satisfaction and feeling of safety has been 100% sailing both with crews and single handed.
My LM 30 tacks through 95 deg. Reaches at 7.5kts in a breeze with a self feathering prop. My passage planning always assumes boat speed = 5kts
Sailing into heavier weather with waves breaking over the foredeck, I can sit warm and dry in the wheelhouse letting the tiller pilot take care of the course to steer whilst keeping a clear look out.
Under power she is, very quiet because the Volvo 2030 is housed in a double walled engine bay, always easy to handle and goes astern with predictable confidence with 360 deg visibility through the sliding hatch.
In short, I can hardly fault her - built in 1987, she's a joy and easy to care for. I am now 75 yrs old and will not change her for another - a bit like my wife really (or so she says !!) Bob

Re: LM 27 or LM 30 Do they sail???????

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04 January 2011 14:47:49

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I agree with the recent writer who owns an LM30 and sails in Europe: My 28 has been in 40 knot winds and six foot seas and always feels saufe and comfortable. One question: In the area of the tiller post there is a well that takes in some water. It has never spilled over into the engine compartment but we did glass in the well even though it makes little difference. One man told me he dropped the rudder and glassed it in that way. I have no need to do anything more: I keep a little sqeeze device in there to get out the occasional water but wonder if anyone has experience with this. My own boat is for sale in CT at Eastland's now and I will sorely miss it if I do let it go.

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

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09 March 2011 17:32:19

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if anyone is looking to upgrade his LM to a LM 32, here she is - well equipped and maintained, waiting for a new enthusiastic owner - easy handling by "furling mainsail and furling genoa" for single or short hand crew - contact us for specification and viewing: Shirley Greenhalgh at www.yachtbrokermallorca.eu

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

Anonymous user

09 March 2011 21:29:22

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hi; I am interested, but I have lands in Spain I would like to exchange (or part exchange) for a boat 30-32 ft. Details at http://www.competa.org
Anyone interested in exchange please contact me at espace@xtmt.com

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

Anonymous user

09 March 2011 21:32:09

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thank you for your offer - but, no part exchange

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

Anonymous user

10 March 2011 07:12:05

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More details on your LM 32 available?

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

Anonymous user

10 March 2011 07:15:47

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Question please:
I have long admired the LM Marque, but I need a boat that can take the hard safely, without danger of being upset by a wave when tide returns.
Has anyone ever experienced beaching his bilge keel LM 30 and to what effect, please?
Has anyone added bilge plates to his long keel LM 27/28 and beached his boat?
And if so, may I contact you to ask questions?
Any guidance greatly appreciated.
thanks

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

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10 March 2011 07:57:54

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of course we will forward full specification and photos - please send request on our email address yachtbrokermallorca@gmail.com

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

Anonymous user

30 April 2011 23:34:47

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Question Pleae:
I seek a bilge keel LM 27/8-
Can anyone comment on adding bligle plates to the long keel of the small pilothouse LM, for the purpose of taking the hard every tide?

Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

Anonymous user

01 May 2011 01:33:10

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sorry, no part exchange - regards Fred Hecken
www.yachtbrokermallorca.eu

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

Anonymous user

01 May 2011 01:34:36

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details for the LM32 on request by email to me
yachtbrokermallorca@gmail.com

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

Anonymous user

01 May 2011 01:37:42

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LM - 32 year 1985
Decksaloon – 2x helm stations – in general good condition
37.500,- Euro - EU VAT paid

Ref 8377 ca. 50.600 US $ - ca. 32.950 GBP rates on 13.06.2010



BUILDER        LM Glass-fiber Denmark
DESIGNER        
MATERIAL        Hull / Deck & Superstructure in GRP
LYING        Europa / Spain - Balearic Islands – Mallorca
British registration
Length hull        9.75 m       32´
Length waterline        8.50 m       27.89´
Beam        3.23 m        10.60´
Draught        1.76 m       5.77´
Displacement        6.000 kg       13.228 lbs
Ballast         2.200 kg        4.850 lbs
Tank Fuel Diesel        250 litres       55 Imp. Gal. // 66 US Gal.
Tank Fresh Water        250 litres       55 Imp. Gal. // 66 US Gal.

Sloop – Alu mast & boom, stainless steel standing rigging – furling mainsail system by BAMAR re-fitted - foresail furling system with self-tacking jib system - WINCHES: 4x ANDERSON
MAINSAIL furling system
GENOA furling system
JIB self tacking
CRUISING CHUTE

ENGINE: BUKH 36 HP diesel (ca. 869 h) with sail-drive system, GORI folding propeller
Engine compartment with soundproof insulation - Fuel / water separator filter, raw water filter
HEATING system by EBERSPÄCHER, warm air heating throughout, diesel fired

ELECTRICAL: 12 V board current - Fuse/switch board -
SHORE POWER 230 V + BATTERY CHARGER
BATTERIES: 1x Starter- 85 AH + 3 Service- 85 AH each
NAVIGATION LIGHTS

FRESHWATER & PLUMBING, HOLDING TANK: Tank gauge – pressurized water – shower at stern - Bilge pumps – Holding TANK with strong handpump -

NAVIGATION/ELECTRONIC:
•       Log/Speed VDO, Echo sounder (EchoPilot)
•       Wind instrument for direction,speed
•       VHF radio with GMDSS and the facility to receive NAVTEX messages over the VHF by separate antenna
SSB receiver, insulated backstay antenna
•       RADAR
AUTOPILOT Autohelm 2000, with connection to the tiller steering
Insulated backstay

SAFETY & VARIOUS:
•       Electrical A/windlass remote control from cockpit or bow+ 3x anchors & 50m chain, 2nd anchor + Life Raft 4man, 4x life jackets – gas alarm -
•       Fire extinguisher – Fenders & lines, mooring warps - cover-persenning, cockpit table
•       inflatable dinghy and outboard engine


CONSTRUCTION: GRP hull & structure - DECK: Balsa sandwich – stem fitting, anchor roller, S/S bow pulpit & stern pulpit, double lifelines - mooring cleats – DECKHOUSE & AFT COCKPIT: fully enclosed with canvas - engine panel & E/controls - self draining Gas bottle storage locker - ladder at stern





INTERIOR / LAYOUT:
SALOON: settee to starboard & port (convertible to double 200 x 120 cm & single berth 200 x 70 cm). - NAVIGATION: chart table - navigation instruments - Electrical panel
GALLEY: stainless steel sink, hot/cold water pressure mixer tap – 2-burner stove/oven/grill – front opening refrigerator 12 & 220V & Gas
FOREWARD CABIN: V-shaped double berth (190 cm long, 200 to 50 cm wide in V-shape), storage, wardrobe. HEAD-COMPARTMENT: marine pump toilet – sliding washbasin + shower and gas water heater, electric reverse cycle extracter
ENTERTAINMENT: Radio Player, loud speakers in saloon – TV and TV antenna

COMMENT: well known motorsailer with good performance under sail and power – only 3100 miles on the clock and only 870 engine hours -
www.yachtbrokermallorca.eu - Email: yachtbrokermallorca@gmail.com

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

Anonymous user

03 May 2011 20:39:56

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This thread seems to have been pirated by a brokerage advertisement

in hopes to return to the topic of keels on the LM 27 and 30:
was the LM 27 ever made in a bilge keel version?
has anyone any experience adding bilge plates to the long keel of the LM 27?
My cruising waters require the boat take the ground on every tide.
The LM 27 looks most acceptable in every way but that she is available in long keel only.
Any bilge keel LM's out there in N. America?
Thanks

Re: LM 32 for sale, lying Mallorca

Anonymous user

20 May 2011 23:23:49

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I own a LM30 for 2 years it sailed very bad, so I sold it.

Lothar

Re: LM's in General

Anonymous user

05 September 2011 14:28:03

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First motor sailor I've had in the Scottish waters: solid, dependable, easy single handed, even salis well, v.comfortable - always know it'll get me home!

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Anonymous user

05 September 2011 14:31:22

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Forget the bilge plates, they slow you down and make the boat a hybrid, simple invest in some yacht legs, I have them on my LM27 - works a treat

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Anonymous user

05 September 2011 17:02:56

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I've sailed my 1986 LM 32 over 7,000 kt miles on the Great Lakes [ some of the most dangerious waters in the Americas ] . One always feels safe and secure no matter how rough the seas. Being a fresh water boat it looks almost new and catches eyes in every port. It is a MOTORSAILOR designed for making passages in difficult weather and conditions. I would be very interisted in talking to other owners , as very few of these fine boats made it to the USA.

Fred Will
USSVOYAGER111@MAC.COM

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Anonymous user

05 September 2011 17:56:14

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I own an LM28 which I have sailed for a decade in Maine after buying it in Minnesota. It sails beautifully, and the pilothouse is a godsend in northeastern waters, It is currently for sale at Eastland Yachts, Essex, CT only because of my plans (see their website for pictures). I would be happy to be in touch directly with other owners. My email is lrosen@princeton.edu

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Anonymous user

06 January 2012 17:16:46

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Hello there i got my LM 27 in august needed a few things done, routine maintainance generaly shes 1983 with the original engine 36 hp volvo penta, i just had rigging replaced which was over fifteen years old and upon very close inspection i wouldnt have bothered it was still in first class condition,, any way got the sails on last week and took her for her first sail, i was worried by the comments i had heard about how they sail,,,,,,,, well let me say i think she sailed brilliantly, even impressed me and and my pal whos an old salt ( he knows his sailing ) by still going very close hauled, ive had four boats in the last eleven years and chartered a few ,, this one i will keep im very pleased how sea worthy layla is and how safe you feel when sailing , the other day we got knocked flat by a squall and she did as she should have rounded up no problem,, with water up to the cabin windows at no point did we have any concerns whatsoever, the canopy over the cockpit is a pain when sailing but its easily removed and stowed, but that said you can use the whole boat when its raining rather than being cramed into the cabin ,, hope this helps alan martin,

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Anonymous user

07 January 2012 15:11:29

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I've had my 1977 LM27 since October '09 sailing predominantly in the west coast of scotland. She sails reasonably well, I've had 7.2 knts non a broad reach in 28 wind, had a bit of a weather helm though. Only snag is that the main cannot be reefed on my standard non-furling rig.
Otherwise its great, feels like a bigger boat with no wasted space at all, had 6 away for a weekend didnt feel too cramped. They are very well designed and the quality shines through on the LM factory built ones, it's superbly sea-worthy. Mine has a Volvo 25 HP with a fresh water cooling kit fitted, it now runs hotter and more eficiently without the salty de-crudding each winter. Has a safe and solid feel and it always gets back safely (have been out in some bad seas last year) - I like it and I'll keep it.

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Anonymous user

07 January 2012 18:43:58

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hello, good point on the reefing of the main,,, been scratching my head abit , as you mention no reefing system firstly thought it may be roller but then the kicking strap wouldnt allow that,, i want to sort something out as when i took layla out for the first time i noticed alot of weather helm,, of course this can be control by the sail set, but to reef up would take the pressure off,, have you got any good contacts for advice or even to share ideas ,, ive searched everywhere and spoken to other owners who all seem to think an owners club would be a good idea,, what you think, alan,

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Anonymous user

09 January 2012 11:40:27

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Owners club / forum may not be a bad idea, maybe there hasnt been one as they seldom go wrong?

Re: LM's in General

Anonymous user

09 January 2012 15:19:22

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I think this is a fair reflection on the LM 27 Pro’s Con’s:
PROS:       
1.       It’s a well-designed, seaworthy boat with good quality finishing’s.
2.       It’s an easy single-hander with a simple rig
3.       It has great accommodation that’s well thought out:
a.       Main & fore cabin with heads
b.       Working cockpit with internal steering, galley, navigation / map table
c.       Outer aft cabin with tiller, table and seating for six, open or enclosed
4.       It’s very solid and feels safe even in the heaviest of seas
5.       Depending on the elements its totally weather proofed sailing or motoring
6.       With the addition of dingy davits and yacht-legs, it’s a “go-anywhere” cruiser.
7.       If looked after they do hold their value well

CONS:
1.       It’s a motor sailor with poor upwind performance and hence won’t win any races
2.       It’s heavy (c.5 tons) and a bit chunky for its 27 feet
3.       Some feel that the after canopy is restrictive (fold it away?)
4.       They are pricey for their age – but buy one and you’ll appreciate why.
5.       It’s not good going aft, or manoeuvring around a marina – got to be slow & steady
6.       It needs a good 20hp+ engine anything smaller is simply under-powered

If you are looking for this type of cruiser – it’s hard to beat – that’s probably why they sold over 1500 of them, most of which are still sailing.

Re: LM's in General

Anonymous user

27 January 2012 19:59:27

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I also own an LM27 circa 1979. Have sailed her mostly around Southern England (well Pwhelli to Brighton to be accurate), including the the Channel Isles IOW and French coast. She is a wonderful boat, 32 years old and still with many original parts, including the original Bhuk DV20. A bit of a beast to start but goes on and on. Mine is factory fitted with enclosing doors which makes the inner helm position very snug no matter what Neptune throws at me. Like most of these other comments I love her and wouldn't swap her. My wife is also of the same opinion!! Happy sailing neale@ymail.com

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10 February 2012 14:12:51

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A gentleman mentioned to forget adding bilge plates to the LM 27 but to use beach legs instead.

A couple questions: if you take the tide regularly and are not around to make sure she's stable on her beach legs when she dries out, can you really rely on them? Can you live aboard on beach legs, walk about the cabin without concern when tide is out or sleep well when tide is in and you are aware the tide will turn and leave you dry while you are sleeping?

I live in area of Alaska with tides not much hy of Bay of Fundy range.
If beach legs really work, then it would be simpler and cheaper solution than bilge plates.

I have read though, that bilge plates work well, are convenient - always there when you need them- and if anything lend stability to her motion- perhaps they won't point as high, but this is a motor sailor and when heading into current and wind I prefer the engine in any case:

Any opinion, suggestions, advice on efficacy of beach legs?
[A friend in Britain did send a photo of LM 27 to which he afixed permanent bilge plates:
a very workmanlike jot of it. Would be glad to share the photo on this forum if there is interest.]
Thanks for any comments on use of legs.