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Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

18 October 2006 22:12:08

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My cousin and I have recently aquired a new(to us) sailing dinghy. We were hoping to sail it during the half term holidays which start next week, the only problem is that I can't seem to find out what type of dinghy it is. I have reasearched on the internet but can't find anything on this dinghy. It looks as though we may not be heavy enough to keep it upright as we are only 12 and 15 years old but I would appreciate any help. There is no manufacturers plate on the dinghy at all. I would guess it is around 15 ft long, although i could easily be wrong, it is of plywood construction with an aluminium mast, a trapeze and looks to be quite racy, it is fractionally rigged with red sails with the logo on the sails almost identical to that of a mirror dinghy. The only difference being that on the top of the M there are two burgee shaped triangles. So i would have thought that these two dinghies are related in some way, however it is definetely not a mirror. Any information would be greatly appreciated as we would really like to know. Thank You :-)
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Anonymous user

20 October 2006 18:06:19

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well anyway i've found out its a marauder/mirror 14, however theres practically nothing on the internet about this dinghy
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

29 October 2006 21:24:02

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I own one too and have had the same problem. The most information I've found is on the Mirror Association site. Try www.ukmirrorsailing.com/cgi-bin/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=37
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

23 September 2007 12:47:16

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there has been a mirror 10 and mirror 16's
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Anonymous user

25 May 2008 11:46:24

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Try this link, some pics and rigging guides, I have some other stuff, pics articles and 1 class mag. are still sailing yours? do you know of any for sail?
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

25 May 2008 11:47:41

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Silly beggar, here's the link http://photos.orange.co.uk/album/thumbnails.html?c_album=3060418

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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

11 September 2008 23:48:34

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sounds like a Mirror 14, which had a version with bigger white sails which was then called a Marauder. I used to own #683...fabulous fun.
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

28 September 2008 21:24:29

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Marauder Mirror 14 - I have one... I used to own Sail o. 35, now I have a much later one... Do you still have yours??? does anyone else have one? Looking to find out where the others ended up...
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

29 September 2008 21:23:56

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I had one last year for about 6 months before it fell to peices, the front tank had about 3 gallons of water trapped inside and the rot just went to far. Any way a brilliant litle boat wish I could find another.
I have all the ancillaries mast, centre plate etc.
There is one at Chew Valley Lake SC, she has a minor hole near the bow but apart from that looks good
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

30 September 2008 16:07:20

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Thanks for your reply.

Do you have any contact details for the other boat? Also how much of the rigging did you keep? I don't suppose you had a good road trailer and cover? mine is not the right one for the boat...

Really looking for the trap, kite and genoa...

H.

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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

30 September 2008 22:53:40

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I have aproached the owner of the other boat but he intends to repair he himself, but I ask him occasionally, you never know. He thinks that there is a mould for GRP hull some where in the west country. We both beleave that it would make an ideal youth trainer.
I have a mast complete with trap gear, centre board, tiller rudder and stock, centre main tube, and spinny + a few odds and sods.

As for a genoa GP14, Wayfarer and flying fifteens have similar size but double check, especially if you intend to race
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

30 September 2008 23:16:52

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Try this link for more info and pics http://photos.orange.co.uk/album/thumbnails.html?c_album=3060418
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

02 November 2008 10:58:41

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Hi there guys i hyave the original manual for a marauder that i got with mine all thats left now is the sails from hull no 585 and the manual and also a trapeze harness along with bouyancy aid and wetsuit am looking at selling the lot. I have sailed the marauder while at school and really enjoyed it. I am only 10 stone and sailed my own using just the mainsail on trapeze. It was fun hmm
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

21 February 2009 21:46:31

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I have just purchased Marauder dinghy sail number 353. She is completely sound and seems to have had little use. Currently stripping bad paint job done last year and looking forward to learning to sail again.
Would be delighted to hear from anyone with more technical info and whether or not there is an owners club.
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

Anonymous user

22 February 2009 09:22:53

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Hi did you sell your Maruader maual, if not I might be interested. rjhatherell@hotmail.com
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Re: Unknown sailing dinghy

chewtew

22 February 2009 09:36:39

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Hi the class association went long ago and as far as I'm aware there is no class racing any where in the UK. I do have some information on the class along with a couple of class magazines and rigging guides I could email to you.

I'm always on the look out for more Maruader information if any one can help

I also have rudder and tiller assembly, centre plate, mast with all the rigging and a suit of Mirror 14 sails (Maruader predessesor)
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Great boat

Anonymous user

26 February 2009 13:38:29

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I owned n.o 56 for about 6 years in the late 70's and early 80's it was a fantastic boat. I upgraded it from a Mirror 14 to marauder spec which basically meant the addition of a spinnaker chute and an overlapping genoa

Its a real shame that the class seems to have disappeared.

I was just trying to find out its PY number which I recall was 109 using the old system, there seems to be no current number
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Re: Great boat

Anonymous user

01 March 2009 17:39:21

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I have the original manual for the marauder and also a set of sails that have hardly been used am open to offers
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Re: Great boat

thenry

20 April 2009 18:05:12

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Hi, does anyone still have a manual / spare sails for a Marauder that they might be interested in selling. I have just acquired one and would be interested in buying these. e-mail me if you do tom.henry@talk21.com.
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Re: Great boat

Anonymous user

26 April 2009 13:16:15

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have you still got the manual for the marauder?

If not do you know anything about the centre board fixing?
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Re: Great boat

chewtew

26 April 2009 23:25:56

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Hi
I don't know if it was the same on all Maruaders/Mirror 14s but on my 14 there was not the usual through bolt, probably because of the crew deck being in the way. There were two L shaped SS plates with pins. The pins loacated in a hole at the front of the centre board, forming the pivot. The whole assembly was then put into the centre box from below and the two returns on the SS plates were screwed the the hull.
Quite a neat solution with no holes through the centre box, I have not seen this type of system on any other boat
I'll try and find the SSplates and put them with the centre board for some photos, when I get chance???
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Re: Great boat

Anonymous user

30 April 2009 18:45:55

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I am interested in purchasing 2 L shaped SSplates with pins for the centre plate for Marauder/mirror14. Mine not included in boat when purchased. Have put in new plywood deck & trim- new transon -revarnished - paint and new rigging. Now ready to sail but no centre plate fixings.

Dave
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Re: Great boat

chewtew

30 April 2009 22:54:21

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for centre plate brackets email rjhatherell@hotmail.com
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Re: Great boat

Anonymous user

05 May 2009 10:26:15

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Nice example of the Marauder for sale here (In Malta):

http://classifieds.di-ve.com/classifieds/CPViewItem.asp?ID=316085

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Anonymous user

16 May 2009 00:38:58

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I built a mirror 14 years ago 35 years to be exact sail No. 160, had great fun, sailed like a rocket in a fair wind, suppose the 'ol girl is long gone now. Pleased to see the class is still remembered
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Re: Mirror 14

Bluediamond09

21 August 2009 17:39:25

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Hi,
I own a Mirror 14 which I built from a kit and sailed many years ago. It was then "forgotten" about when I bought a sadler 26. I am beginning to restore her, by replacing the decks etc. However, when I looked at the state of my old sails and cover I realised that I would need new ones. So if anyone does have a set of mirror 14 sails and a cover for sale, or knows where I could find some please contact me. My e-mail: richard.angus1@btinternet.com.
Thankyou,
Richard.
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

21 August 2009 17:50:14

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I have no sails or cover but I do have a mast and bomom with all the running gear, a centre board and rudder and tiller assembly. I also have some riggiging guides, class mags etc. rjhatherell@hotmail.com
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

21 August 2009 20:28:59

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hi there i have a set of mirror 14 sails in very good condition and maybe some other bits they are stored aT my mothers but i have ready access to them. if u would like to view before you purchase then u can email me on bandit_eng@hotmail.com. i also have the original construction manaul there is some of it missing. I also have my trapeze harness as well
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

24 August 2009 12:53:21

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I built the last wooden Marauder No.1001 and would be please to give you information on improving the stiffness of the boat if you have the decks off.
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Re: Mirror 14

Bluediamond09

04 October 2009 16:39:08

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Bluediamond09 wrote:Hi,
I own a Mirror 14 which I built from a kit and sailed many years ago. It was then "forgotten" about when I bought a sadler 26. I am beginning to restore her, by replacing the decks etc. However, when I looked at the state of my old sails and cover I realised that I would need new ones. So if anyone does have a set of mirror 14 sails and a cover for sale, or knows where I could find some please contact me.
Thankyou,


In regards to above, I have found a new set of sails and a cover and therefore do not need any more,
However, I would be more than happy to help others in the rebuilding of their mirrors or such like, I am able to send pictures of the hull ect
ThankyouRichard.
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Re: Mirror 14

chewtew

04 October 2009 17:49:07

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I have no sails or cover but I do have a mast and boom with all the running gear, a centre board and rudder and tiller assembly. I also have some rigging guides, class mags and build instructions email if you want scan sent etc. rjhatherell@hotmail.com
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

12 October 2009 13:20:08

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I also have a Marauder which I am currently bringing back to life. The crew deck is completely missing, however, so I'm having to rebuild this. What I really need to know is how the centreboard box is constructed. If anyone has any plans or photos I would love to see them,
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Re: Mirror 14

chewtew

12 October 2009 17:12:46

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email me and I'll send you a load of stuff, photos, class mags and build manual etc. address in earlier messages
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Re: Mirror 14

Les Smith

18 October 2009 12:10:51

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I have sails for Mirror 14 . Jib,main(good but numbers coming off) , spinnaker(as new) , mast(needs new halyards),boom and spinnaker boom.les@brownleaf.fsnet.co.uk 07748183973 Les. BRIGHTON ,EAST SUSSEX.
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Re: Mirror 14

chewtew

30 October 2009 18:59:03

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Does any one know who holds the copyrights for the marauder
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

30 October 2009 19:10:06

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the boat was designrd by the mirror group newspapers, but where to go from ther i dont know. I had the original building manual, rj hatherall now has it and in there it states bout the mirror newspaper
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

27 November 2009 11:02:06

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The Mirror 14/Marauder was designed by Peter Milne who also designed the Fireball. My father owned No 218 in Australia. I crewed for him to win the inaugural Australian Championship in 1973. This was the first and last Australian Championship. I still have the Blockey Cup (Dlockeys were the local franchisee for the Mirror kits) and my father died as undefeated Australian champion.
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

13 February 2010 20:58:18

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Does anyone out there still have any information on the marauder. I am renovating one and need information on the boat, rig and anything else that can help me put her together again. I also need a new set of sails if anyone has some lanquishing in the loft. email me on bobtheblindman@btconnect.com.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Bob
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

13 February 2010 22:05:35

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The Mirror Newspaper returned the copyright to Peter Milne when they stopped selling the boats. I understand that no wooden mirror 14/ marauders have been built since the 1980's the last one number1001was built in 1980 and a few with glass fibre hulls with wooden decks etc. were built in the following few years.
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

14 February 2010 18:39:23

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I have a mast,boom,spinnakerpole, main, jib and spinnaker for a Mirror 14. the Mirror 14 was the forrunner of the Maurder which was fitted with a genoa.I live in Brighton . Telephone 07748 183973. Les Smith.
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

14 February 2010 21:51:21

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Hi Bob,
I built the last wooden Marauder from scratch and would be pleased to give you help with your project if you live in the London area.
Dave Whittock.
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

14 February 2010 21:55:26

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Hi do you have or know of any information on the Maruader, plans, magazines etc that you could let me have rjhatherell@hotmail.com
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

14 February 2010 22:32:13

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Hi Dave,
Thanks for theoffer but i live up north so not really practical. My boat is almost ready or the water apart from a good paint and varnish job and I might now have some rigging and sails for it.

Bob
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

15 February 2010 17:28:00

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There were no plans for the Mirror14 only a set of pictures and an instruction book with information on how to put together the kit of numbered parts. The kits. were made by Bell Woodworking the same firm that also produced the Mirror10 Miracle and Mirror16. They stopped trading in the 1980s. A number of boats were built by Dennis Trott approx. six and later some were made from a mould which was purchased by The Marauder Association these being composite ones with plywood decks etc..and mainly built by members of The Marauder Association. I understand the Association ceased some time ago.
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

15 February 2010 18:08:21

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I have a Marauder in the process of being rebuilt, much assisted by the kind provision of a set of build instructions. I have a jib and mainsail but no spinnaker. I also need to know the length of the spinnaker pole if anyone knows.
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

26 February 2010 19:02:23

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spinnaker pole is 7feet long by 1.25 inches diameter. Les.
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Re: Mirror 14

nsmith3

28 March 2010 12:32:06

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Hi, The spinnaker pole length is 2180mm. The actual wording of the measurement rule is as follows ' Rule 9b The distance from the outboard end of the spinnaker boom ........ to the closest part of the mast shall be a maximum of 2180mm'. As to the spinnaker itself around the time Carolynn and I started sailing Marauders(Mirror 14's) back in 1986, the Fireball/470 size spinnaker rules were adopted by the Association and so anyone looking for a spinnaker for the Marauder only need to get one of these. Nick Smith, Marauder 1005.
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

29 March 2010 19:24:41

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Like the last post from Nick Smith I too have stacks of Marauder/Mirror 14 material. I also write for Dinghy Sailing Magazine and featured the boat a few years back in a series I ran called 'The Lost Classes'.

If there is sufficient interest, I could post up a load of the information on my website (bearfacemedia.co.uk) or if there are specific questions then I may be able to help. For now, I can confirm that the mould referred to in an earlier email, was destroyed a few years back. The Class Association died in the mid 1990s which is a shame as this was at one time one of the fastest growing classes - it was a damn good boat. I keep hearing rumours of people wanting to start the boat back up and I'd be more than happy to provide any help with anyone wanting to do this -it is not a difficult boat to build in ply.

Good luck...
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

01 April 2010 00:19:09

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Wow I've actually found a site where people are talking about this boat. I've just bought one this week, in beautiful condition, just needs a couple of really small jobs doing, and will probably strip and varnish the top ready for the grand launch, but it's been really well looked after by an enthusiast. Came with two sets of sails the original red ones and the larger white ones fully kitted out with everything, covers, trailer,spinnaker, trapeze, even the how to built book, even though it was built by a company, Bells is it, might be wrong. One hell of a boat. Goes in the water in a couple of weeks or as soon as I've got the time, dying and I MEAN dying to sail it. I've only managed to find about 10 photos on the net, and most of them are in b&w. Anyone know how much these boats are worth (not as I'm planning to sell it) and how many are actually still around in good condition, just really interested in what I've bought. I used to have a mirror 10, but apart from being a great learners boat, I didn't really like it, always felt like I was sailing a something that looked like a wheelbarrow, but this is really really nice, if anyone would like any photos to help them with there own projects please email me kether@hotmail.co.uk
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

01 April 2010 09:12:42

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A good starting point for more information is over on the CVRDA website (www.cvrda.org) - this is THE place for information on what is known as the 'lost classes'.

I have a whole folder full of details of various bits of information .

As far as I know, I organised the last Nationals that the Class held at Netley, it was good to see 'amost' double figures once again - for the class that was once Europes fastest growing 2 person dinghy class.

If you've not yet had the chance to sail a Marauder/m14 and know of one, then despite being a little bit 'out on your own', it is well worth giving it a go. These days I work as a yachting journalist (in Dinghy Sailing Magazine) so I get to sail nearly every boat that comes along- so I have plenty to compare with.

The Marauder is a lovely boat to sail, with enough power and that nice sharp entry to power upwind, then the lovely flat aft sections that are pure Peter Milne giving an exciting blast downwind. If the boat is good, why did it fail? A complex situation and may need a lot more space than is here. All I will say is that the situation is a shame, for if any boat deserved to succeed on it's merits then it was the M14.

I've already had emails from some ex-Marauder owners and other 'interested' parties so if there is real interest, will put up a new section of the website dedicated to the class - I can then put a load of the info up there.

Let me know if you're interested...

Dougal
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

03 April 2010 12:58:35

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Hi, I am not sure if this is really the right forum to do this but I actually have one of these for sale. It has been re-built and just needs finishing off. Basically the woodwork is complete, the hull repaired and just needs the resin finish. It has loads of bits with it, sails, mast (may need slight repairs) and a spinnakar I believe, as well as loads of scanned manuals for repair etc. Not sure if anyone would be intereted. My e-mail is walker@gajls.wanadoo.co.uk and I live near Bath in Wiltshire. Thanks, Gary
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

03 April 2010 18:46:54

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Gary,

Have replied direct to your email address.

Dougal

Bearfacemeddia/Dinghy Sailing Magazine
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

13 April 2010 16:45:56

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I have a mirror14/marauder but it is badly damaged.
I've been advised that it's only fit for matches but am reluctant to scrap it. However I haven't any drawings or templates for the bow end which has rotted
Can you advise if its possible to get any drawings or templates for the panels that make up the marauder hull front section
thanks
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

13 April 2010 16:51:09

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If you look in the messages above for rjhatherell's email he has a copy of the build manual which will help you.

nessa
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Re: Mirror 14

ansisp

14 April 2010 13:22:26

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i have a mirror14/marauder fairly complete but badly damaged
id like to be able to repair it but am lacking any build instructions
do they include any design drawings or templates for the bow section which i need to replace among other things
any info would be much appreciated
thanks
ans
ans
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

14 April 2010 13:41:25

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ans,

best is to take a couple of pics and load them up - how badly damaged is a very 'subjective' comment. The problem with the M14 was that the bow pulled the whole thing into the correct shape... so how you repair the hull will be crucial

Dougal
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

16 April 2010 21:22:16

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Hi,

I you still have the sails and cover... I'm interested - Jacktl1@yahoo.com

H.
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

23 April 2010 15:59:28

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Hi everyone!

I am really trying to track down ever single M14 / Marauder.

If you could be really kind - drop me an e-mail to

Howard_h_miller@yahoo.com

Really interested in the sail number, condition ( if it is dead, then what year?) and rough location. If you are ok to send pictures that would be great!!! Of the boat that is....

Also if you have any info or parts left please let me know.

Rgds,
Howard
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

26 April 2010 16:19:37

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Hi
For your records, Marauder 96 was scrapped about 8-9 years ago, marauder 763 was sold to a club member 3 years ago who has subsequently left Sutton Bingham Sailing club, Marauder 832 one of the Trott built marauders is still owned by me and is in need of a lick of paint and varnish.

Tried in the past to link up with the CVRD association but the Marauder is outside the design criteria ie designed in 1968 so not eleigable under CVRD rules

Regards

Mike Burke
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

26 April 2010 16:39:14

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I think you'll find the marauder has CVRDA status due to being considered a 'lost' class.

Nessa
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

26 April 2010 17:08:33

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Mike,

Your Marauder - 832! Is that the one you bouht from me many many moons ago?

Dougal

PS - if yes, have a picture of it in all it's glory

D
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

27 April 2010 14:14:50

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Hi Doug
I bought 832 from Ian Freeman in Cleevedon, if you have a picture of when it was new please forward to mikeburke147@btinternet.com be interesting to see.

Mike
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

27 April 2010 19:43:16

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wow...ian Freemans old boat, that is a rocket ship! That has to be one of the fastest Marauders, at the time I'd say that only the one off composite boat that Carolynn and Nick Smith sailed had the legs on it.

You've a rare beast as Dennis Trott didn't build many boats, two ot destroyed that I know of, one went to Sutton Bingham, after that, no one knows.

Howard, more for your records.

Out of the two new boats that we made with Ian Ridge, one was over in Ireland at Donagahee, the other, the boat owned by ex Class Sec John Marston, (1007?) was destroyed in a storm. I've plenty of pics of that courtesy of nessa, will upload them soon

D
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

29 April 2010 21:30:25

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Thanks to all those who have sent me material. I have now started work over on the bearfacemedia website (www.bearfacemedia.co.uk) on the Mirror 14 / Marauder Story. This will by necessity a work in progress as there is a lot more information out there, so if you have it and are willing to share, please send it in.

As a further aside to the story, I recently had conversations with a builder interested in examining the possibility of restarting building this wonderful boat.

Dougal
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Re: Mirror 14

Anonymous user

02 May 2010 09:55:22

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If anyone out there has a mirroro 14/marauder please do feel welcome to bring it to the open at Hunts SC near St Ives in Cambridgeshire on Saturday 15th May. We would be very pleased to see you. Details on www.huntssc.org

Nessa
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Re: Mirror 14/ Marauder

Anonymous user

03 May 2010 18:47:39

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I have boat number 703 in good condition following a recent overhaul. I have a set of original red sails including spinnaker and pole in very good condition (crisp) I also have a spare mast and boom. I have decided that after sailing it all weekend at Bala Lake I am not the sailor for this boat. The boat is awesome but I am not. The boat is fitted withbrand new trapeze gear for the more adventurous. It comes with an old road trailer which is serving as a launch trolley!
If anyone out there would like to contact me by email at bobtheblindman@btconnect.com and make me an offer for this awesome bot then please do. The boat is at Bala Lake at the moment but normally resides in Shropshire
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Re: Mirror 14/ Marauder

Anonymous user

03 May 2010 22:25:24

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I had one as well excellent fun the m14 became the marauder when a gonoa replaced the jib and White sails were allowed. I sailed mine from about the age of 13 and even kept it until my kids were old enough to go out in it. Eventually after a long and glorious life we gave it a Viking funeral
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Anonymous user

11 June 2010 16:19:04

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One for sale on ebay at the minute and going for a silly price!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120578643787&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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Anonymous user

12 June 2010 18:57:09

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I checked the history and it is not all it seems.....
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Anonymous user

09 July 2010 14:48:43

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Hi, I have a maruader 15 but no mast and boom . would you be interested in selling your mast and boom ?
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Anonymous user

09 July 2010 23:52:46

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Hi
I have a mast with all the standing rigging and trapeze wires plus a wooden boom. rjhatherell@hotmail.com
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Anonymous user

27 October 2010 21:56:10

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Any Joy on a new builder. I really loved my two boats 129 and 827

Dave Holyoak
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Anonymous user

28 October 2010 09:50:31

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Dave,

What an amazing co-incidence getting your mail. Yes, there IS news.... and it suggests things are going in the right direction. We've a hull builder and a very interesting rig concept.... not sure yet how the market would take to the launch/re-launch of yet another class...... it would make a great club boat but would be pitched against the RS 500 which is enjoying a very successful run positioned below the Hornet/Fireball and 470.

D
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Anonymous user

28 October 2010 14:58:35

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Good news then keep me posted
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nsmith3

31 October 2010 09:50:12

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Hi Carolynn and Nick hope to be sailing Marauder 1005 at the CVRDA event at Baltic Wharf in Bristol Docks on the 20th November. With a bit of luck there should also be another Marauder/M14 there, so this will be a good opportunity to see the boats up close and in action. Regards Nick.
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Anonymous user

31 October 2010 10:22:57

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I am slowly bringing 415 back to life. I would come to BW, but I'll be in the US. Any cocpit photos gratefully appreciated. Has anyone tried bags rather than chute?

Nessa
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Anonymous user

31 October 2010 17:26:48

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Nessa,

If you look at the ariel picture taken of my last Marauder you'll see that I'd gone for bags. The boat is quite a stable platform so it is not too bad for the crew to be in the boat whilst the kte is being dropped (and you of course being a 470er would be fine with it anyway...for more on this, read on a bit below)

Nic and Carolynn - I'm hoping to be at BW but it is unlikely that I'll be sailing as Supercrew Jon doesn't complete his shift until 6am and I do not think that crewing in a Merlin - in the restricted waters of BW - after working all night - would be a lot of fun. If I can make it though I will, it would be very good to catch up again after all this time.

Had a long and very interesting telephone call the other day regarding the building of a M14. When we were looking at new tooling for a hull, I went and saw Peter Milne who was happy with more or less whatever we wanted to do to the hull - his only stipulation was that the spray rails on the aft sections of the hull needed to remain.

So - our conversation this week was on 'what should the boat be' rather than just recreating the historical image of the 'old boat'.

We came up with a number of ideas.....move the jib tack after 8" so that the spinnaker shute could be right at the bow (like on a 505). Do away with the forward bulkhead, but continue the cockpit floor forward to the bow, much like the merlin rockets. Do away with the thwart.... and revist the low aspect rig.

So far, this is all just a paper exercise - nothing is yet in place to build a boat though I have started some calculations on the rig sizing.

The basic hull shape is though just so good - with the boat well balanced - that whatever you do, you'd not want to loose the essential 'fun' that comes with sailing the boat in light airs or strong breeze.

See you on the 20th,

Dougal
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Anonymous user

31 October 2010 17:44:50

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Dougal, my hull is doing nothing in the boatshed, stripped completely bare, with no centreboard case or crew floor if you need a skeleton to work with. What are the 'spray rails' ? Do I have them?

Nessa
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Anonymous user

31 October 2010 20:39:06

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Nessa,

yes, all m14s/Marauders have them, as have Fireballs. On the aft sections of the hull, you've got two longtitudinal wedges running from up by the plate case to the transom. They are quite a 'feature' of Milne boats......

That is an interesting suggestion about using your hull.....

DX

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nsmith3

23 November 2010 20:26:52

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Nick and Carolynn sailed 1005 in the CVRDA at Baltic Wharf. The northeast wind was a good direction for Bristol Docks, but wasn't very strong, I spent a total of ten seconds on the trapeze all day. There were three races a long race which saw us sail the into the centre of Bristol and then two shorter races. Races 1 and 3 were good for us, but in race two we got buried at the start and we finished the event 3rd overall behind a Mercury and Merlin Rocket. It was nice to have a consistent breeze after the drift at Shearwater, but the Docks are not ideal for a trapeze boat. I am hoping we can sail at Roadford Lake next year and show what the Marauder is capable of. Regards Nick.
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Anonymous user

23 November 2010 20:32:13

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Nick,

damn, that is twice that I've missed you. Will try to do Roadford next year....

regards
Dougal
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Anonymous user

12 January 2012 19:56:00

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Who knows the py? Why is so little known about these boats? I'm thinking if buying one pretty much brand new, in storage shortly after it was built in 1996. What's it worth?
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Anonymous user

12 January 2012 20:15:40

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if you call in to the Classic and Vintage Racing Dinghy Association forum someone will know py: cvrda.org Unfortunately they aren't worth huge amounts simply because they are now a 'lost' or doscontinued class. Boats typically sell on ebay from anywhere between £250 to £450 depending on condition and what's included.

Nessa
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Anonymous user

12 January 2012 20:23:40

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Thank you for your reply. This is what I know about it:

Foam sandwich hull, sapele mahogony decks, super spar mask, boom and spinaker pole, ball bearings throughout. Over and under covers by Banks, launching trolley 2 suites of sails (1 new by Batt).
Built by Ian Ridge on the Humble, Southhampton (1996) PY rating 106. Minimum class weight.
Garage stored from August 1999. Immaculate condition . Epoxy varnished every year by Bell. Well cared for.
Good racing record.
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Anonymous user

12 January 2012 21:10:53

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oh! you need to talk to Dougal (sailing journalist and researcher) about that one!. Either look for davidh on the cvrda forum, or I will send him this way. Sounds like a pretty special boat and Dougal will know it!

Also look at his Marauder section here: http://bearfacemedia.co.uk/TheMirror14Story.aspx

Nessa
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Anonymous user

12 January 2012 21:13:16

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Okay: if the boat you are looking at dates from 1996, then it can ONLY be one boat - a grey hull composite, grp hull, wood decks. proctor mast and...Batt sails? - or Banks?
The boat was in Northern Ireland at a place called Donaghadee (spelling???).

I know the boat well and all it's history and may even have pictures of it being built!

Can you get some more pictures for me please?

And yes...I'd love to know the fate of the boat, for I was closely involved with the construction.

In Feb sometime, dear Mr Gates (aka Microsoft) are closing down the old MS website programme so the Bearfacemedia site will be no more. BUT.... I will be opening up a new website, complete with a dedicated section on the M14/Marauder - so any pictures will be really great..............

If I can help at all, please shout,

Dougal
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Anonymous user

12 January 2012 21:41:15

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Yes that sound right. No problem, I'll get some pictures to you soon. Send me your email address to robertespey24@gmail.com
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Anonymous user

14 January 2012 09:49:54

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I am now the proud owner of a marauder no. 1008.
Pictures to follow
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08 February 2012 05:10:01

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Anonymous user

16 April 2012 17:09:04

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We have just acquired a part built Mirror 14/ Marauder with a box full of bits and mast which has been hanging in a garage wrapped in plastic for about 42 years.

The condition of the wood and the build quality so far is excellent and we intend to complete the build and sail the dinghy if possible. If any body has any build instructions, parts lists or photos of completed models which we could use, or even details of where we might purchase parts and other equipment would be great and a big help.

simcock968@btinternet.com
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Anonymous user

16 April 2012 17:12:14

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Robert Hatherell has a copy of the build manual! He has posted on here,a nd is also on facebook, but I seem to have lost his email address. I will try and find him and point him this way. There is a chap in essex with a couple of lovely boats who might also be able to help. Whereabouts are you?
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Anonymous user

16 April 2012 17:13:14

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I should have added to that that I have a lot of parts, let me know what you need!

vwj@hotmail.com
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Anonymous user

16 April 2012 17:13:45

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I will send you pictures of mine
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Anonymous user

16 April 2012 17:15:28

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May have all sorts of help - including a copy of the building guide! Where are you (geographically) - and where near the south coast or ST Neots/Huntingdon?

Check out...www.bearfacemedia, hunt around on there and you'll find lots on the M14, including a lot on the building of a grp composite boat, I also have a contact who may have more upmarket sails and gear - but no hull......

BTW - the bearfacemedia website closes in a fortnight, but by then the new site, www.davidhenshallmedia.co.uk will be up and running - including new pages for the M14

Good luck with the build

Dougal
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Anonymous user

16 April 2012 17:32:26

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Dougal means me near Huntingdon!

Nessa
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Anonymous user

17 April 2012 20:09:23

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We would be grateful to lay our hands on a copy of build instructions to start with, then we can establish exactly what is missing but we live in West Cumbria.

The family which has given us the dinghy is looking for any other equipment but at the moment we have a completed hull, part completed decks a box full of numbered wooden parts and a mast.
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Anonymous user

17 April 2012 21:55:04

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well, I have rudder and centreboard, thwart, spinnaker chute, and possibly a spare mast. I also have a set of red sails. Drop me an email.
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